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What the CARES Act Means

Each week I’ve been having conversations from my living room with business and industry leaders. They’re Living Room Conversations during quarantine. Below is the 45 minute recording with Delano Sherley, CPA about the CARES Act. Delano is an experienced speaker to small business, nonprofits and churches. He is also the founder of Delano Sherley & Associates.

Some of the topics Delano covers…

The difference between the PPP (Paycheck Protection Program) and the Economic Injury Disaster Loan Program.

The process for calculating your payroll costs

  •         Salary or wages
  •         Housing allowance
  •         Health Insurance and Retirement benefits
  •         All allowances paid (phone, car, etc.)
  •         State and Local taxes
  •         Contractors (1099) such as part-time musicians

Note: Any of the spreadsheets Delano mentions can be found on his website 

Info about Living the Psalms series is HERE.

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phone screenSometimes the only thing between you and digital action is a click, but you don’t know where to click.

I was recently visiting a client site and realized I couldn’t figure out how to take action on the site. I wanted to give, to support, to share, but after 20 min of digging around I couldn’t figure out how to do any of those things. I couldn’t take action. Continue Reading…

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Miraflor PictureFive years ago Brandon and Amy Miraflor started Evy’s Tree, a San Francisco based clothing company that provides luxury comfort wear.

They are quick to say that starting Evy’s Tree was a “God surprise” they didn’t see coming. Today Evy’s Tree sells up to 1000 items of clothing per month.

In this interview Brandon and Amy talk about:

  • Evy’s Tree start-up days
  • The challenges of success and learning new ways to run a business
  • Having a plan but being fluid
  • The importance of having both business and spiritual mentors
  • The dangers of over comparing yourself to the success of others
  • How Evy’s Tree has helped others
  • Their future hopes for the continued growth of Evy’s Tree

In the interview I mention a promo code for Evy’s Tree that Brandon and Amy have made available to the viewers of Second Chair Leadership.

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In this interview Pastor Chester Mitchell talks with me about his second book “The Healing Road to Heaven.”Healing Road to Heaven Cover

Pastor Mitchell shares:

  • How NY Times best-selling author Mark Batterson came to write the forward.
  • Why he wrote a book on pain and healing.
  • How he ran out of faith praying for his dad to come to Christ.
  • What made the passing of his father “bittersweet.”
  • Why he wrote the book to help anyone take the next step towards finding peace.

Pastor Mitchell writes with refreshing honesty and hope about the journey from Pain to Peace. Pick up a copy today at or on Amazon.

After you watch register HERE to win a copy of “The Healing Road to Heaven.”

(NOTE: the book trailer and pop-up quotes will not appear on a mobile device)


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Conference Room ShotWhen I get one of those emails inviting me to bring a team to a conference.  I admit it. I get excited.  I like taking a staff of people to an inspiring event.

But is inspiration the only thing you’re suppose to bring home from a conference?

In this podcast I share How to get the most from a conference with you staff.

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I talk about breaking the Discover-Apply-Failure-Reflect Cycle that often happens after conferences.

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Stack of BooksIf you lead then you have done it.

You have read a book it was so helpful that you had to share it with your staff.  And then…nothing.  No feedback.  No changes.  You later see the book on their office shelf and wonder, “Was it helpful?”

On this podcast I talk about the best way to share a book with your staff.

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In this podcast I talk about about hiring and working with young leaders.

[pullquote]Many employers know how to harness the energy of young leaders but few know how to grow young leaders.[/pullquote]

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Here are the talking points from the podcast:

  • I share a recent reconnect with a former employee of mine that reminded me how important it is to grow young leaders.
  • A young leader is a 20-something who may be recently out of college and lacking long term work experience.
  • Young leaders often make up in energy what they lack in experience. It’s important to grow a young leader and not just benefit from their energy.
  • I have hired several young employees over the course of my career, many of them for leadership positions.
  •  If there is a wrong way to hire a new employee, I have done it.  I’ve made all the mistakes at one point or another.  I am thankful for fellow leaders and even employees who cared enough along the way to share with me the inadequacies of my hiring practices.
  • I share how one employee gave me an exit interview that changed my hiring practices.
  • I explain why first-chairs should NOT manage the hiring process, especially first-chair pastors.
  •  Two reasons why the mindset of “Waiting on God to give you the right person” is not a beneficial hiring strategy.
  •  3 EXIT GOALS to keep in mind for when a young leader leaves your organization.

 1. They should leave better because of you and not in spite of you.

 2. They should leave better and not just better off.

 3. They should leave knowing they are better than you at something.

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Join the Conversation: Were you ever a young leader? Were you better because of or in-spite of a senior leader?

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LittlesDr. James Littles is Professor of Practical Theology at Urshan Graduate School of Theology, Dean of Urshan College and Academic Director of Purpose Institute

Dr. Littles is a facilitator at the UGST Symposium, April 4-5, 2013


In Part 1 Dr. Littles talks about:

  • What he feels most suited to do for local church leaders.
  • Listening with confirmability (Resource: The Art of Listening-Dialogue, Shame and Pastoral Care by Neil Pembroke)
  • Why Christology is best to define missional.
  • His role as an Apostolic scholar.
  • How the missionary nature of one church will defer from other churches.
  • Why he wants to tour the church building in order to discover the mission of a local church.
  • The missional exercise he goes through with churches to determine missional agreement.
  • The wrong way to hire a new staff member.
  • Recapturing another definition of being Apostolic.
  • Churches need Red Sea and Jordan River crossings (Resource: Our Home Is Over Jordan by Homer Ashby Jr. )
  • The “border crossing” Jesus led the disciples through by crossing the Sea of Galilee. (Resource: Border Crossings-Christian Trespasses on Popular Culture and Public Affairs by Rodney Clapp)
  • Why the real “change leader” is the Spirit.
  • The problem for the Church is not change, it is rate of change. (Resource: Future Shock by Alvin Toffler)
  • Why any pastor who stays in one church longer than 6 years must be a change leader

Join the Conversation:  How would you finish the statements      “The Church is _________. & I am called to __________.”?

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Dr. Littles continues the conversation by addressing the missional roles of first and second chair leaders.



In Part 2 Dr. Littles talks about:
  • Why it’s God’s choosing to not make any one leader gifted in all gifts.
  • How being a second chair is a great gift to the church.
  • The blessing of a second chair leader who does not see the need to take over.
  • Why he has to pray not to adopt an Absalom spirit.
  • The disciples poor timing in asking Jesus to be the primary and secondary chair.
  • Why the leader is NOT in the church for the congregation to make the leaders ministry effect.
  • His prayer for first and second chair leaders.
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Sittind Down 3“Sharing your strengths creates competition; sharing your weaknesses creates community” is one of my favorite lines in this PART 2 interview with Pastor Chester Mitchell of Capital Community Church.

CCC Service

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(Pictures by Celeste Johnson)



Listen as Pastor Mitchell talks about:

  • Elements of the leadership model that works at Capital Community Church.
  • How he “does life” with his second chair leaders.
  • Why he likes Twitter.
  • The learning curve he is on right now as a leader.
  • Why many churches are in decline.
  • Why he was “lucky” as a second chair.
  • When is it best to hire a second chair.
  • What kind of a leader he will NOT hire.
  • How CCC leads by process not program.
  • Should a second chair always aspire to be a first chair?
  • What happens with his staff when he admits, “I don’t know.”
  • A sneak peak at his upcoming 2nd book!

Gravel Road Book CoverChester Mitchell’s book  The Gravel Road to Heaven is a great read, and very encouraging.  Get it today.

Join the Conversation:  What did Chester Mitchell say that resonated the most with you?  Leave a comment below.

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